DISQUS

Information Arbitrage: Don't Bail out Wall Street; Re-invigorate Main Street

  • Todd · 1 year ago
    Speaking very broadly, there seem to be three levels of this crisis: at the base are depressed (and still falling) real estate prices and at the top is a lack of available credit. The cog in the middle is the "toxic" collection of MBS on bank balance sheets. So, in thinking about a solution it may be wise to assess which level of the problem will be attacked most forcefully by a rescue plan. There was an interesting piece by Holman Jenkins in the WSJ the other day saying that attacking this thing at 10,000 feet as the current plan does is the wrong way to go. He suggested using the money to buy up surplus homes and destroy them to cause prices of existing homes to start going back up. This sounds crazy, but it does attack the problem at its source. Any take on this?

    And what about the potential for a very long and painful recession if the credit crunch continues? The administration's plan is making a big assumption--that attacking the problem primarily at the cog in the middle--the MBS--will help get lending going again. But what if the $700 billion isn't enough or for whatever other reasons credit is still constrained even as the rescue plan plays out? Would it be better, along the lines of what Tom Evslin advocates, to use government money for direct lending to businesses that normally get credit from the banks currently in distress? A solution like this would bypass the companies in the center of the storm and surely bring about some serious creative destruction. There will be a huge credit gap to fill if banks can't lend, but what makes us think that the necessary capital won't eventually be mobilized in other ways by new private sector players, perhaps facilitated by a government fund starting things off? Is there any way to mobilize capital of sufficient size outside of the big banks at this point, or is that really the heart of the problem--that they are the only reliable and sufficient sources of capital? I imagine that doing something like this would be painful in the near- and even medium-term (it will take quite a while to get an essentially brand new credit system up and running), but perhaps better over the long-run (and more in the spirit of capitalism)? While the current bailout plan seems to be more of a quick fix but with potentially serious long-run risks (it may not work, taxpayer money will be squandered, moral hazard issues, etc).

    Just thinking out loud here really--the current plan is probably the right way to go, but why not explore all options? We are taking a gamble either way and trying to choose the least bad of many terrible options.
  • karls · 1 year ago
    "He suggested using the money to buy up surplus homes and destroy them to cause prices of existing homes to start going back up."

    I would think that the main problem that is worrying Hanky Panky and Ben is not so much of the falling housing market but the frozen credit market. A frozen credit market has severe direct trickle down effects on the economy and that is exactly what the duo is trying to avert. To try to unfreeze the credit market by tackling the housing market would probably take too long since the recovery will take at least 1 year. By then, the economy would probably be in shatters. Also, isn't it such a waste of capital to destroy the surplus homes which do have value?

    "to use government money for direct lending to businesses that normally get credit from the banks currently in distress"

    That would be a bad mistake in my opinion as that would mean an abandonment of capitalism and the free markets. Centralized state lending has proved to be less effective than free markets in China's experience and I don't think it would wise to revisit this option.

    I think Roger's suggestion is very much similar to the Swedish solution (which was very successful). I do believe that Paulson did consider forcing the banks to give up equity in exchange for financial aid but he probably think that the banks will not participate in this program if so. His fear is that the banks will wait until the very last moment like AIG before participating in the program and if that happens, the credit market will remain frozen for a while and then as one bank after another capitulates and seek financial aid from the government, it'll only further strain the credit market by raising fears on who's next to bail.

    My suggestion would be for the government to take the option of not participating in the program away from the banks. Let the Feds check the books of every major bank and force those weaker ones to participate in the program. However, I'm not sure if they are legally powered to do so.
  • leongcpa · 1 year ago
    The problem with the direct lending idea is in the execution. Neither the Fed nor the Treasury have the necessary infrastructure and resources to support it. Not every business or idea deserves financing. Someone will have to determine who does and who doesn't get it, and that is generally left to the bankers, venture capitalists, angel investors, et. al. Neither Treasury nor the Fed has any expertise in these areas and they do not have the resources nor the time to set up the appropriate infrastructure to take on this role.
  • Sanoran Triamesh · 1 year ago
    Housing had a good run, now it is being corrected. It is not a downturn. Mr. Bernanke and Mr. Paulson are geedy with power, they can scare the nation and make them cough up a trillion dollars to save their buddies in wall street! Unfortunately, Mr. Bernanke and Mr. Paulson are either lying or misinformed. We need OIL to run the US. thats how we make food, drive our cars, build our buildings, ... without oil we are in trouble. Without wall street.... we will find other means to get a loan. Of course, greedy people who invested on the advise of their financial advisors will probably get screwed. Well, -they are free to screw those who lied to them or misled them. But they cannot claim my tax money to pay for their misfortune. We are NOT Communist or Socialist!!!! We are capitalist. Ignorance and stupidy combined with greed is rather bad in capitalism. But thats the way it is. NO BAILOUT of Mr. Paulson's friends!
  • Chip Davis · 1 year ago
    On the issue of "Bailout". Many are yelling the phrase "She's a witch" etc. with regard to the notion of directing taxpayer funds toward mortgage repurchases. I would ask those preparing the bonfire to ask the following question: "Who currently holds all of this $700 billion worth of mortgage paper?" I think the masses would be surprised at the answer.

    Part of the answer is "yes...those who stand accused.." but the majority of the answer is away from the bandits. The "bailout" is not so much of the folks who manufactured the product but rather those who bought it. It is very likely that one of those (who bought it) sends you a statement every month detailing monthly activity of your primary checking account. And this is somebody you directly don't want to see get screwed up. So in a way...we are really bailing out ourselves...
  • Dan · 1 year ago
    As I understand it, there are roughly $1 Trillion of MDS securuites that are high risk of failure. These are valued on most banks balance sheets at around $0.70 on the dollar. FMV based on LoneStar/ML transaction and random reports is the the range of $0.25-$0.35 on the dollar. If banks reduced the FMV down to $0.30 that would wipe out their capital and the market is not willing to invest new equity in these banks to replace this loss. As a result of all this, banks are frozen. Lets assume this theory is correct. Can anyone validate my numbers? Debt/equity solution (maybe others are saying this exact same thing - so far all the equity solutions lacked specificty): Government agrees to buy your MDS at FMV but will replace this lost capital with equity. In some sense, it should be somwhat striahgtforward: Bank values MDS at $70. Government pays $30 for bad debt. Pays $40 for prefereed shares in bank replacing capital. Same instrument for every bank. FMV calculation - not sure how they do it but it should be doable. In any case, that starts to get the incentives lining up. BTW - biggest thing lacking in all the debates has been a good description of the actual math. Thanks.
  • Chip Davis · 1 year ago
    OK...here is the question I want answered before I go do some work to answer your data questions:

    Based on exactly what empirical data are the write-downs occurring? How is "high risk of failure" determined and how did they [mortgages] get marked to $.70/dollar? Why was a $.30 write-down the right number at the time? No concept-level answers...I am looking for the math...

    I am asking the question because I think the answer will be enlightening...
  • Chip Davis · 1 year ago
    One more thing about the mortgages, their value, and whether or not folks are buying them. In a way...didn't Warren Buffet make this type of bet via the Goldman Preferred but rather than holding the investments....he got into more liquid stock...(via the warrants)? Yes...he can get zapped because he is down at the preferred line but I still have to believe this was sort of going through his mind...
  • Dan · 1 year ago
    News reports said that Goldman calculated:

    "Earlier in the day, Goldman Sachs economists estimated the amount at risk in the mortgage sector at $1.15 trillion. [I ROUNDED TO $1 TRILLION] They get there by looking at the total number of commercial and residential mortgages in delinquency or foreclosure versus the total value of all U.S. mortgages. Scarily, Goldman estimates more than 9 percent of the $11.3 trillion in outstanding residential loans are at risk (not to mention 4.2 percent of commercial loans)."

    Write down amount:

    My understanding is Lone Star was $.21/dollar.

    I don't agree with the Buffet analogy. I think there is a big difference between the MBS and straight GS preferred. Regardless of how much MBS related assets GS owns.

    Does that help?
  • karls · 1 year ago
    I would be bold enough to suggest that the Goldman investment is a bet on the staying power of Goldman's blue-chip large-moat banking franchise, rather than a play on the mortgage assets. He would have invested in Goldman at this depressed price even if they had no mortgage assets in their books.
  • wonk the plank · 1 year ago
    Roger, I read your blog constantly and am a big fan, but you got this one wrong.

    Financial engineering, no matter how exotic, can't lower asset prices to more appropriate levels without dishing out some serious pain.

    It's just hard medicine to swallow.
  • M Onger · 1 year ago
    Reasons for Not Bailing Out Wall Street

    1. Reduce illegal immigration. Who'd want to come 1000 miles to struggle when they can do it at home.

    2. Reduce the level of decadence. Who'll pay $40,000 for box seats at hockey games, who'll pay $200 a month for phone sex, who'll buy designer jeans for $300, who'll be able to afford a BMW for their high school kid?

    3. Reduce the terrorist threat. When the evil empire becomes the feeble empire, it takes the fun out of the rhetoric. Also see decadence.

    4. Reduce our dependence on foreign oil. We will actually have to change our consumption patterns. Besides, we won't be going anywhere far from home.

    5. Reduce the risk of war over far away places and over false causes. It is hard to send an army into battle When there is no money to buy bullets.

    6. Shrink government at all levels. When there is no tax to be collected, they'll have to do what they now do not want to do.

    7. Strengthen labor unions and re-create the neccessary tension between labor and management

    8. Resurrect political parties with clear, opposing philosophies to replace the two parties which are complicitly seeking the same re-election contributions

    9. Prove capitalism to be as false a god as communism. Time we recognize that balance and moderation is good for personal and national health.

    10. Create another generation of Americans who are self sufficient, value hard work and save(like the Depression kids)
  • Dan · 1 year ago
    Credit's not flowing? Sure it is. I just got credit from a lender, to buy an American-made piece of equipment.
  • Eric · 1 year ago
    The term "bailout" seems to be the problem, not the actual plan for unfreezing the credit markets. Just like anything in Washington, it is not the original sin (in this case, the plan), but the cover-up (or in this case, the sales job being done badly) that general follows.
  • karls · 1 year ago
    Roger,

    I would like to hear your opinion on SEC's proposed right to be able to "suspend mark-to-market accounting for financial institutions when it thinks doing so is in the public interest."

    I find it to be extremely troubling. The whole point of the bailout is to pay more than market until there is a functioning market that results in better price discovery (presumably at a valuation above current prices but less than mark to maturity). Suspending market pricing would defeat this goal.

    Without mark-to-market, will we be seeing Japan all over again where banks live in denial for years about how deep in losses they are in?
  • infoarbitrage · 1 year ago
    Karl, I think that granting such powers would be insane and yes, ultimately very, very dangerous. Have we learned anything about the current crisis? Have we not yet internalized the importance of transparency and price discovery in the smooth functioning of the financial markets? Suspending MTM accounting is akin to subsidies, tariffs and price controls, failed attempts and market manipulation that almost always end in skewing markets and destroying value. The point of the current bailout should NOT be to pay more than market until things stabilize, but to pay market, layer in senior liquidity to bridge the capital gap, and lets those doing the bailing out (you and me) enjoy the appreciation in the junk arising from a long holding period and the increase in value of the institution we just bailed out. Anything else is a sham.
  • infoarbitrage · 1 year ago
    Karl, I've added some more thoughts here http://www.informationarbitrage.com/2008/09/wha....
  • Lon · 1 year ago
    NO BAIL OUT!!!! We've had to figure out how to get ourselves out of messes with no help, well so should they.We work too hard for our money to bail out the rich.